Show HN: Markwhen: Markdown for Timelines

(markwhen.com)

866 points | by koch3 days ago

43 comments

  • koch2 days ago
    Creator here - glad to see people like markwhen!

    Been working on markwhen for a few years now, originally inspired by cheeaun's life timeline that another commenter posted about.

    At this point markwhen is available as a VS Code extension, Obsidian plugin, CLI tool, and web editor in Meridiem.

    Some recent markwhen developments:

    - Dial, a fork of bolt.new (Stackblitz's very cool tool that leverages AI to help quickly scaffold web projects): an in-browser editor that lets you edit existing markwhen visualizations like the timeline or calendar or make your own. I just released that yesterday so it's still rough but I have big plans for it (it's one of the visualizations in meridiem)

    - Event properties: each entry can have it's own "frontmatter" in the form of `key: value` pairs. I wanted this as I'm aiming for more iCal interoperability in the future, so each event could theoretically have things like "attendees" or google calendar ids or other metadata. This was released in the last month or two.

    - remark.ing: this one isn't ready yet by any means but it's like a twitter/bluesky/mastodon-esque aggregated blog site. So you write markwhen and each entry is a post. In this way "scheduling" a post is just writing a future date next to it, and you have all your blog in one file. This one is a major WIP

    • mturk2 days ago
      I used Markwhen recently to make an interactive Gantt chart for a proposal to a collaborator and it went swimmingly. (We got the gig!) So, thank you!

      For the record, I used the Obsidian plugin to develop, then deployed as static HTML.

    • makach2 days ago
      Congratulations on your release! I've working on building exactly the same tool but you beat me to it... I cannot compete with this functionality, and completeness. Amazing work!
    • RestartKernel1 day ago
      Remark.ing sounds incredible. I've been considering building something like Memos but based on Markdown files rather than a relational database for personal use, but this comes really close to what I was looking for.

      Are you planning to open source it? I couldn't find it on your GitHub.

    • d--b2 days ago
      Looks very good.

      Just a note. It was really hard to find how to sign up.

      EDIT: and I still haven't found how to sign in in the desktop app.

    • Brajeshwar2 days ago
      What is the difference between the free and the monthly subscription tier?
    • cheeaun2 days ago
      Great to see this again. Amazing how this tool expanded so much over the years!
    • EarlOfCamden2 days ago
      nice! I've been thinking I will need something like this in Obsidian at some point, good to know it already exists.
    • jagermo2 days ago
      pretty nifty tool. What license are you using for distribution?
  • accrual2 days ago
    This is neat! It reminded me of this project by cheeaun that enables one to create a visual timeline based on a simple texted based format. The purpose was to plot one's life events in a visual way.

    https://github.com/cheeaun/life

    Sample file (from the repository):

        @USERNAME's life
        ===============
    
        - 24/02/1955 Born
        - ~1968 Summer job
        - 03/1976 Built a computer
        - 01/04/1976 Started a company
        - 04/1976-2011 Whole bunch of interesting events
  • bergie2 days ago
    This is pretty cool! I'm the developer of a semi-automatic electronic logbook system for sailboats: https://bergie.iki.fi/blog/electronic-logbook/

    Right now I'm using YAML for the file format, as I wanted something that would be reasonably readable for both humans and machines. Markwhen would also fit the bill nicely, so that's something to consider, at least as an export format. My entries have a lot of properties, though (stuff like wind speed, vessel coordinates, barometer, etc). Traditional ship's logbooks were done in a tabular manner to record all this. So I'm not sure if that would end up looking quite messy. Here is an example of a day of log entries in the current format: https://github.com/meri-imperiumi/log/blob/main/_data/logboo...

    I'm using these also for some data analysis, like watermaker membrane health, or sailed miles per crew member.

  • atoav2 days ago
    Note that Mermaid also supports timelines (if it is new enough): https://mermaid.js.org/syntax/timeline.html

    Mermaid is supported by gitlab/github and other markdown editors (within code blocks).

    • otikik2 days ago
      The charts you linked don't look like the same kind of chart to me. There's information about what happened after what, but the information about how much each task took seems missing.
  • dotancohen2 days ago
    Again reimplementing Emacs Org mode. Nice work!

    This looks terrific, but honestly Markdown is a document markup language. Org mode, while superficially similar in scope, is actually a data storage and exchange format. The data manipulation and querying built around Org mode are unlikely to be replicated in Markdown.

  • tiffanyh2 days ago
    Be careful.

    Gruber (who has trademark in “Markdown”), appears to not like people using his trademark name.

    https://blog.codinghorror.com/standard-markdown-is-now-commo...

    • SllX2 days ago
      Not only is this a different name, but that was an attempt to essentially expropriate Markdown. This is nothing even close to that.
      • benatkin2 days ago
        It’s plausible that it could be a trademark issue, were “markdown” strongly enforced. “When” isn’t the furthest from “down”. However, the reason behind Gruber’s issue with it has been misinterpreted and the Markdown name is very widely used without any arrangement with its creator, and a trademark for Markdown is not registered with the USPTO by its creator AFAICT.
        • SllX2 days ago
          > However, the reason behind Gruber’s issue with it has been misinterpreted and the Markdown name is very widely used without any arrangement with its creator

          Correct. Not to get too in the weeds on a 10 year old controversy, but Gruber has gone on the record to say he is cool with things like GitHub-flavored Markdown but from what I gathered back then and since then whenever he spoke on the subject (which has not been a lot), his issue with the CommonMark project (as it would eventually be called) using any name that included “Markdown” in the name wasn’t cool with him since they went ahead with an ask forgiveness instead of receiving permission approach on attempting to basically expropriate Markdown. GitHub-flavored Markdown and things like it don’t do that, they just claim to be a different kind of Markdown.

          Also never understood why he didn’t just go ahead and trademark it, but at this point would it even be enforceable? It’s kind of generic now, but I don’t know if it’s generic enough to not be enforceable either, and maybe he doesn’t want the obligation of having to enforce it.

          EDIT: anyway, point is, this is so far from being Markdown or claiming to be that I don’t think there is a single issue with Markwhen as presented that would ruffle any feathers in Philly. The creator shouldn’t have to worry and nobody should be telling him to worry. Like, seriously, none of this is relevant. Markwhen is just a cool looking thing that exists now and I like timelines.

    • dewey2 days ago
      Here's the license (http://daringfireball.net/projects/downloads/Markdown_1.0.1....) and I don't think Gruber mentioned anything about a "trademark"? It seems like it was mostly about the name of his project just being taken unethically. Just like if someone would take a open source project name and makes it look like an official for when it's not. Maybe not a trademark infringement, but certainly not nice or ethical.
    • BonoboIO2 days ago
      I searched for a trademark for „Markdown“, but I didn’t find any. Can you show me the trademark?
    • philipwhiuk2 days ago
      Joel tried to write an IETF Standard by the backdoor for a thing he didn't invent.

      Having been kicked off the word standard, they immediately thought "how can we still do this while technically obeying it". So they picked the closest possible word to Standard, implying it really was the definitive version.

      Yeah, I'd be grumpy too.

      If he'd called it 'Atwood Flavoured Markdown' there wouldn't be an issue. But Joel wanted to own the definition of Markdown.

      As a group of tech CEOs they decided to co-opt someone's idea without even asking if it was okay.

      In fact kicking John off the project was the point.

      You can do that, you just can't keep the name they created.

    • BonoboIO2 days ago
      Wow … John Gruber was also very upset, … , that the word Markdown was not capitalized throughout the spec.
    • cal852 days ago
      This has a different name.
  • KaoruAoiShiho2 days ago
    Does this work at all for fantasy timelines?

    Trying to build a timeline like this:

    title: History of the World

    0: Foo Calendar's civilization founding.

    124: Invention of the Foo Calendar

    220: Founding of Bar

    1310: Invention of GlooblyGock

    5621: Demon invasion.

    Edit: After trying it don't think it works for this usecase.

  • wild_egg2 days ago
    Seems not right for the comments here to be empty but I don't have much to say other than this looks incredibly nice. Hope I have an excuse to use it at some point.

    Thanks for sharing!

  • neumann2 days ago
    Just in case anyone else is out of the loop like me. This can be used as a plugin in obsidian! https://obsidian.md/plugins?search=markw
  • KaoruAoiShiho2 days ago
    Any chance you can copy some of this for aesthetics? https://www.chronoflotimeline.com/timeline/shared/3118/Home-...
    • alexkearns2 days ago
      Ha! That's my product. Thanks for mentioning!
    • owlglass2 days ago
      Hopefully without the latency, it's slow to respond on a 2022 M2 Macbook Air (tried Firefox and Safari)
      • alexkearns2 days ago
        That's weird. It works perfectly for men much older computers and also on my M2 Mac Pro. What version of OSX are you using? I created that product, btw.
        • maleldil2 days ago
          Not OP, but on Firefox 132, Sonoma 14.4, M1 Pro, it's quite janky. It's less so on Chrome and Safari, but it's still noticeable.
        • dewey2 days ago
          On a 3,2 GHz 6-Core i7 Mac Mini with Safari it also feels very laggy and unpleasant to use.
  • IndieCoder5 hours ago
    That is such an elegant solution. True sweet spot which was missing for me in traditional markdown!
  • sprobertson2 days ago
    Besides the tool itself that website typography is excellent. Guess I'll have to use Playfair in my next project.

    Edit: One thing I'd like to see with the basic syntax example is fiddle with your default dates to make it more obvious that the span is a span. At the time scale it is now, it just looks like another dot.

    • koch2 days ago
      Just edited the example so it looks like a span, thanks for the feedback!
  • garfieldnate15 hours ago
    I would love to be able to manage my actual calendar with this. By which I mean, I want a seamless bridge with google calendar, iCal, etc. that also lets me view, edit, source-control, etc. my calendar with an mw file. I think this is very cool!
  • SuperV12342 days ago
    This is really cool, I wish there was some sort of life planner software where I can write down appointments, notes, ideas, and more in a simple format like Markdown, and automatically get notifications/reminders based on what I wrote.
    • funnybeam1 day ago
      Have you looked at org mode for eMacs? That does precisely this
  • nemacol1 day ago
    Big fan of timelines. I am going to use this for sure

    Have had an idea for a timeline search/visualization. Search a thing and that pulls pages and related pages with date/times from Wikipedia. With a zoom in/out to adjust resolution like google maps - weight nodes on timeline based on page views/edits/links. Have not gotten around to try to make something like it. I bring it up here just in case something already exists and I missed it.

  • einpoklum2 days ago
    > for plainly writing logs , gantt charts , blogs , feeds , notes , journals etc.

    So, how would this combine with markdown, for the content within dated blog/journal entries? And how would I use dates as plain dates rather than special markwhen entities?

  • snappr0212 days ago
    This looks very good.

    Is there syntax for dependent tasks in the timeline? In other words tasks that only start once prerequisites are done.

    If the date of the original tasks changes, the dependent tasks move accordingly automatically, without needing to edit a full list of dates for each dependent item.

    • genezeta2 days ago
      It's a timeline that tracks events and periods. It doesn't seem to have the concept of a task in any way.
  • dustedcodes2 days ago
    Things like Markdown work because they are intuitive, but the date range syntax in Markwhen is anything but intuitive.

    Why 2025-01-22 / 2026-10-24?

    Why not 2025/01/22 - 2026/10/24?

    • dimava2 days ago
      Because this is ISO 8601 date format, the standard date format that intentionally uses dashes to not confuse 25/01/22, 01/22/25 and 22/01/26 which are the same date in different formats

      (that's why it uses dashes for dates, as for why it uses / for interval I have no idea)

      • thunfisch2 days ago
        It's using a slash because that's how ISO 8601 defines time intervals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601#Time_intervals
        • account421 day ago
          Doesn't look like IOS 8601 allows spaces though so this is still an ad-hoc syntax.

          RFC3339 at least lets you replace the ugly T with a space but also doesn't specify any spaces around "/" for ranges.

        • funnybeam1 day ago
          Thanks for linking that. I’m a big proponent of using ISO 8601 but had either missed or completely forgotten about it specifying a format for intervals.

          Note that ISO also permits a double hyphen as the interval separator which is hugely preferable to me personally and also works with file names (as mentioned in that Wikipedia article)

      • dustedcodes2 days ago
        I know ISO 8601, but that doesn't answer my question. Let me rephrase this, why was a format intuitive to a machine chosen instead of a format which feels more intuitive to a human?

        I think YYYY/MM/DD - YYYY/MM/DD will mean the correct thing to many more people than YYYY-MM-DD / YYYY-MM-DD, which I suspect many will interpret as an OR and not a RANGE.

        • zamadatix2 days ago
          EDTF has advantages in less ambiguity. At the same time, Markwhen does also support non-EDTF dates too. The docs do a good job of explaining both https://docs.markwhen.com/syntax/dates-and-ranges.html

          Personally I think it goes a little over-flexible on support for non-strict formatted dates to the point it becomes difficult to figure out what a given date string is going to result in rather than feeling easier to use. That's probably part of the reason the primary example uses the clearer format.

        • keybored2 days ago
          > intuitive to machines

          Because the “humans” messed up so bad that there weren’t many options left for a simple enough standard.

          I would prefer ISO 8601 too over some slight variation which is allegedly more intuitive for homo sapiens sapiens. To keep it simple.

        • raziel2p2 days ago
          Any time I see slashes in dates I do actually have to double-check whether it's DD/MM or MM/DD.
      • keybored2 days ago
        Hyphens.
    • ramses02 days ago
      Better: 2025-01-01..2025-01-31: (eg: git-log-ish format)
    • account421 day ago
      I'm with you on / not being a good range separator but using it for the individual dates is much much worse. Please stick to - for YYYY-MM-DD to avoid confusion and keep / restricted to inbred date formats.
  • marjipan2001 day ago
    Love this! If you're into representing time with simple markdown, check out the Chronos Timeline plugin for Obsidian too

    https://obsidian.md/plugins?search=chronos+timeline

    • rhizoma1 day ago
      Nice that it installs on mobile too.
  • SamBam1 day ago
    How would one go about creating Obsidian support for a timeline that was scattered across multiple files?

    I'm thinking like the network visualizer that Obsidian has, it would be great if it could find tagged dates in any file and display them on a common timeline.

  • jiangplus2 days ago
    This reminds me of blocks.md (https://blocks.md/), a Markdown based form builder.
  • pflenker2 days ago
    Great project, I always felt that this was missing in Markdown.

    I wonder how we can "end" a timeline and start a new one in the same doc? So that I can write stuff like:

    # My important project.

    Description of the project goes here

    ## Timeline of the project.

    2024-12-02: This is what I did today.

    2024-12-01: This is what I did yesterday.

    # My other important project.

    Description of the project goes here.

    ## Timeline of the project.

    2024-12-03: This is what I plan tomorrow.

    ---

    Some thoughts about what I have written above.

  • nivertech2 days ago
    What shortcut used to preview Markwhen documents in Obsidian?

    I create a "Markwhen" folder and create a "test.mw" not there, but it doesn't render, and I can't an option for preview in the command palette.

  • robinhowlett2 days ago
    This looks excellent - i've been looking for a timeline-based, simple-entry tool like this. Well done.
  • thomasreggi2 days ago
    Just wanted to say congrats on the project. This is truly a masterpiece from the utility of it, the novelty, to execution with the vscode / meridian app, and sass. Brilliant execution!
  • dirkc2 days ago
    I'd love something that can support uncertain timelines - I maintain a list of space events that I'm interested in, but I haven't yet figured out how to do the dates.
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  • rattray1 day ago
    Belated, but especially when I see the group syntax, I wonder if this should be like a Markdoc extension or something?
  • jusgu2 days ago
    Nice, these “Markdown for X” tools are super neat. Wish this worked nicely with mobile view, seems like a lot of the text are overflowing and margins are squished in the demo
  • shepherdjerred2 days ago
    I wonder how easy it is to render the timeline in a custom manner
  • markgoho1 day ago
    are those the actual pronunciations of your products?

    here'd be my recommendation: /ˈmɑːɻk.wɛn/ and /məˈɻɪd.i.ən/

  • noisy_boy2 days ago
    This is neat. What I am waiting for is markdown for tables with cells supporting multiline content in an easy to use manner.
  • x1ph0z2 days ago
    Really cool project, looking forward to using it in Obsidian.
  • desireco422 days ago
    OK, this is fantastic, like others mentioned. Now... to figure out how to use it in existing markdown... love the Obsidian integration.
  • ynx2 days ago
    Meridiem seems to only have ARM builds, no Intel builds. Could you perhaps update it to include Intel?
  • omnster1 day ago
    Looks neat! Is there a way to make it work with pandoc?
  • neoconomist2 days ago
    Neat, something like this was missing in my text-based workflow. Thanks for building !
  • _ink_2 days ago
    Awesome! I really would like to see a Discourse Plugin for that.
  • sleepyfran2 days ago
    This looks amazing, will definitely try to incorporate it into my workflow!
  • teo_zero2 days ago
    Does it work with non-English dates?
  • jbaber2 days ago
    Is there support for date ranges? e.g. 2024-12-25 - 2025-01-06 ?
    • ks20482 days ago
      It's the second example in "Basic Syntax" on the right.
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