110 points | by CrankyBear10 hours ago
Also will someone please fork WordPress.
- WordPress code is open-source.
- WP Engine is entitled to use the source code.
I don't see how that entitles a for-profit entity such as WP Engine, to use the non-profit wordpress.org theme/plugin repository resources and infrastructure for free?
If you were WP Engine, wouldn't you want to have your own copy that you control anyway? Am I missing something?
This is interesting in terms of Github. They could pull the same thing and say only the porceline git client and MS approved clients can pull. After all it is their servers. The open source licenses are orthogonal to this and are between authors and users.
Back in the day if you caught someone hot-linking images from your web server it wasn't uncommon for admins to redirect abusive referrers to goatse etc. That usually got them to knock it off real quick.
Legally, he may be in the right (I'm not a lawyer and I'm not going to pretend like I can accurately predict the outcome of the ongoing lawsuit), but morally I think I can reasonably say that Matt is pretty squarely in the wrong when he's trying to abuse WP.org services to blackmail WP Engine out of 8% of their revenue.
Doubly so when they tried stealing the plugin.
- It was reasonable, in that it is fair and sensible, in that it was not trying to attain an unjust advantage. It might not be generous. But that's life in the big leagues.
- Going about it boorishly (ex. the login checkbox), then reacting poorly in an attempt to own the haters, definitely crossed a line (I'm sure stealing their plugin did as well, assuming they overrode someone else's code with their own in people's installs)
It's mostly that WordPress maintained that infrastructure for a very long time without having any sort of restrictions on who could use it -- whether you're a self-hosted WordPress site, or you're using some sort of managed hosting (like WP Engine or WordPress.com). Plus it's literally hardcoded into WordPress to use it; you can't change that without maintaining your own patched version. So everyone involved in the WordPress community viewed it as a general public good for all users of WordPress... and it suddenly getting weaponized didn't play well. For one thing, it put up a lot of people who were just users of WordPress as collateral damage.
(And the cost of the infrastructure doesn't seem to have been one of Matt's complaints, in general. If it was, and he'd been up-front about that, I suspect reactions might have been different.)
Add on top of that Matt claimed that WordPress.org is his personal website, so neither it nor the official plug-in repository are under the control of the foundation (unless he's walked back that claim since I last paid attention).
There's still going to be plenty of users, but a lot of trust has been lost, and a lot of users are now looking for alternatives.
(There’s also b2evolution.)
EDIT to add:
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Suggest therapy.
"A junkie won't bounce until he hits the ground" - Say Hey There, Atmosphere
My family and I all tried to help a sibling for something like 20 years. Nothing stuck [from us], they had to choose it. The ground helped. Trying to minimize harm just created more :/
People can continue behavior where all they really need to do is stop actively harming themselves for no gain at all for years. It’s bizarre to watch from the outside. In the best cases they haven’t roped anyone else into their delusion-bubble.
Try to look at it from an outside perspective instead of through the lens of our own preconception. Humans are subject to making terrible mistakes and lapses of judgment. Sometimes things spiral out of control. We all have our demons, so to speak.
It's very easy to judge a tech multimillionaire bro and saying he should know better, he deserves this, etc. And I mean easy as in cheap. It's the prevailing view and it feels "fair" to a lot of people who didn't get so lucky or so far ahead in life, so they don't feel the need to be sympathetic. But it adds no value to the situation, so it's a pretty useless take. And it's not like the world has a limited supply of sympathy, so it's OK to offer it even in these situations.
At this point I think the guy just needs help.
They need someone to whisper in their ear "remember you are mortal" [0]
If I built my product on the labour of that "someone", I would pay it. Seems these days, doing what's honourable is not that simple.
It was not. That's a $7.5 billon company threatening $1 billion company over totally frivolous reasons.