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  • skhunted9 小时前
    People can be convinced that vaccines are bad and that they shouldn’t vaccinate their kids against polio. You can convince someone of just about anything. Sometime in the future measures against false information will need to be taken to prevent a tyranny of simpletons.
    • verdverm9 小时前
      The Trust Apocalypse is nigh
  • blackeyeblitzar10 小时前
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    • nobody99996 小时前
      What, specifically, isn't transparent? The voting process? Do you vote? I go to my polling place (a school near my home), check in with the nice people working at the table reserved for my election district, sign my name, which is then compared to the signature I provided when I registered to vote, and receive my ballot.

      I then fill out my ballot in a privacy area (really just a stand up desk with 2' walls on three sides), put the ballot in the manila folder provided to me with the ballot, walk over to the scanner and insert my ballot.

      I then give the manila folder to another nice person stationed by the scanners.

      What's more, elections are run at the county level and staffed by folks who live in that county. As such, poll workers are your neighbors.

      I suggest you go and work at the polls. They'll even pay you (not all that much, but not nothing either). If you do so, I expect you won't rant online about the vanishingly small amount of voter fraud that actually happens.

      The Heritage Foundation has helpfully compiled a list[0] of known voter fraud. They've found ~1600 proven cases of voter fraud since they started cataloging such things in 1979. Since then, more than 1.5 billion votes have been cast in the United States.

      1600 fraudulent votes out of 1.5 billion is a fraud rate of 0.0000010666%.

      And even if there are 100 times as many cases of voter fraud as the Heritage Foundation has documented, that still only 0.00010666%.

      I'd note that there are 3500+ elections (since elections are administered by county) every election cycle. As such, even if there have been 100 times more fraud than documented, that's still only 160,000 votes across ~23 election cycles * 3500+ elections. That's somewhere around two or three fraudulent votes per election.

      Given how our elections are administered (there are folks onsite representing every candidate at every polling site and counting center in all 3500+ elections) and the vanishingly small amount of fraud, it's pretty clear that our elections are free, fair and transparent.

      Please educate yourself. Go and work the polls with your neighbors. Seriously.

      [0] https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

      • blackeyeblitzar6 小时前
        Identifying fraud as an outsider is nearly impossible. Fraud detection in other situations requires a lot of access and transparency, so I’m not sure those statistics on known cases of fraud mean much. You could make similar statements about elections in countries that are a lot less trustworthy on elections.

        I’m also not sure why it matters that poll workers are from the same county - that doesn’t make elections secure. People in my county aren’t “neighbors” - I doubt most people would call every random person within 100 miles a “neighbor”. Even if they were, what would that prove?

        > it's pretty clear that our elections are free, fair and transparent

        How can you prove it though? What I see is many steps that require trust in other humans. Not real verifiable elections.

        I’m curious what your thoughts are on steps like voter ID to improve election integrity. To me it seems like an obvious and necessary step, and the resistance to it seems suspicious.

        • nobody99996 小时前
          I suggest you go and work at the polls. They'll even pay you (not all that much, but not nothing either). If you do so, I expect you won't rant online about the vanishingly small amount of voter fraud that actually happens.
    • tonetheman10 小时前
      The main problem is that it has not even happened yet.

      So far the only real problems have been insane republicans burning ballot boxes. And that one is a real problem not made up.

      • blackeyeblitzar9 小时前
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        • nyargh6 小时前
          Ballot boxes were only burned in majority D areas, and Republicans are the only ones pushing election tampering conspiracy theories so they have a reason to riot (again) if they lose this time too.

          They are the only party thay would benefit from this action. Qui bono?

    • ChiMan8 小时前
      Read the court cases, where Team Trump had dozens of opportunities to present their evidence and were thrown out of court—dozens of times.
      • blackeyeblitzar7 小时前
        As far as I know most of those cases were dismissed on various technicalities and not decided on their merits. Although I doubt they would have altered the outcome (my personal guess), I don’t think they were actually given the chance for most of them.
        • BoiledCabbage4 小时前
          Because most judges ruled them as abuse of the court, or having no legal standing, or being malpractice.

          I guess you can call those technicalities, but more accurately they were trying to use the court system to wage politics and the courts both liberal and conservative all looked at what was filed and said they were absurd and baseless.

          I'm not going to put any links here to avoid steering too far into politics, but I'd recommend looking up the comments many judges made about those "cases" and the lawyers presenting them.